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From the first season to The First Season ...

The library, bless it, had in their scanty DVD collection the very first Doctor Who series, from 1963. So I checked it out. Run away now, while you still have the chance!

So, yes. Are there supposed to be two drafts of the first episode? 'Cause I watched 'em ... and there are a few different lines and shots but they're pretty much identical except that the Doctor somehow got a Personality Injection somewhere between the two. Odd. I now appreciate why the first episode of the new series was all full of mannequins! You new series producers are nerds, I love you! Okay, I haven't seen much vintage 60s television but aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaugh the cinematography was like a student film! It was just like watching a student film that had inexplicably good actors! I was prepared for the papier maché sets and corny 60s-ness, and once the plot got rolling along I could ignore that, but I wasn't prepared for the uncomfortable camera work.

But what was the weirdest thing was seeing William Hartnell. Not because he was William Hartnell but because of his face. In my house, growing up, was a portrait done by an ancestor of mine of someone who my dad always said looked like Doctor Who. For twenty years of my life that face was all I knew about Doctor Who.* Then I listened to Shada and watched The Christmas Invasion and then the New First Season and dissociated the Doctor from that face, until I popped in this DVD and there it is! That charcoal portrait living and walking around and talking in front of me! It was uncanny and a little disturbing.

The lady teacher's acting style reminded me of Francesca Annis in Copenhagen. The Tardis is so well-lit and rectangular! What happened? Does the Doctor get younger with every regeneration? Was this intentional? I'm looking forward to finding out what happened to Gallifrey and the Timelords because so far I've only seen/heard pre-Time War and post-Time War ... at least I'm assuming that's what I'm see/hearing. BUT DON'T TELL ME ANYTHING! I want to find out for myself! Whee! So much left to discover!

* ... though it's certainly responsible for my having any interest in checking it out. And, to be fair, I also knew it was a British sci-fi TV show. I saw a little bit of an episode once where the Doctor and (I'm assuming) his companion are shunted out of a spaceship. And that is it.

Date: 2006-08-10 10:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowen26.livejournal.com
I didn't like Hartnell at first, but he becomes very lovable towards the end.

Also, he gets older and age and debilitating sickness made it necessary for him to stop acting, which is why he regenerated the first time. A nice little device they came up with to change the actor, but keep the character.

I guess that's why the following ones are younger. It's "safer" from a production standpoint.

Date: 2006-08-10 12:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barbara-the-w.livejournal.com
And nowadays, with the young actors they're able to make the Doctor sexually active and it's that just *peachy*?


I blame JNT. I blame Peter Davidson. I blame modern fandom.

I want the Doctor back! The one who cared passionately about life and truth and ideas and ethics! The one who wasn't all about TehSexualTension!


Date: 2006-08-10 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twirlynoodle.livejournal.com

[weeps copiously]

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO No no no no no no no no no nononononononononononononononononoooooooooooooooooooooooo.


Date: 2006-08-10 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowen26.livejournal.com
I agree.

The sexual tension (which used to be just implied) became a much too prominent plot point. It's one of the things I'm not too fond of in the new series.

Date: 2006-08-10 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adalanne.livejournal.com
I think "TehSexualTension!" was an interesting aspect of the Doctor that hadn't been explored before. I mean, he had a kid, after all, but that was it for his love life.

And I think, while the beginning of Season 2 was way over the top with it, the second half kind of tied it up nicely, focussing on the very real issue that by being a Time Lord, the Doctor can't really keep any relationship, romantic or otherwise. But, in any case, I doubt we'll have much sexual tension come Season 3. ^_^

Date: 2006-08-10 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twirlynoodle.livejournal.com
Oh please I hope!! Gnerh! That's my second favourite thing about the show, its lack of preoccupation with Teh Sex which seems to have taken over EVERYTHING ELSE.

Date: 2006-08-10 09:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] infiniteviking
I blame Romana.

You mean the one who was a like a favorite uncle to everyone he met, accepted companions on the basis of whether they needed help rather than how cool they were, chose his garb from centuries other than this one, and called humans 'amazingly resiliant' rather than 'stupid apes'?


Date: 2006-08-11 02:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ubiquitouspitt.livejournal.com
Hm, maybe this is something I ought to get into...

Date: 2006-08-11 02:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] infiniteviking
Everyone ought to get into Doctor Who. It's a grand old series. ^_^

Date: 2006-08-10 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The most interesting thing about the first few series is that some of the episodes were lost forever (one of the few things I am unable to forgive the BBC for). Hartnell has never appealed to me much - but I do love the way he talks to Ian. *snigger*
Abs x

Date: 2006-08-10 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brendanm720.livejournal.com
Yeah... William Hartnell was a pretty good Doctor.

I like the third Doctor (John Pertwee) okay, and the Fourth (Tom Baker) and Fifth (Peter Davison) a lot.

Nine (Christopher Eccleston) has to be my favorite. Ten (David Tennant) is right up there, too.


You really don't find out too much more about the timewar. You know that it happened, and you find out who it was against, but you really don't know much after that. You don't, for instance, get any of the gory details.

Date: 2006-08-10 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twirlynoodle.livejournal.com
So, the state of Who History in my head (Timelords galloping everywhere/BIG IMPORTANT BLANK/Only One Left) is pretty much the way it actually is?

... ooookay. I can live with that. Don't let George Lucas touch the Tardis, OK?

Date: 2006-08-10 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brendanm720.livejournal.com
That's pretty much it.

Roger Davies is on record as saying that we'll never see/find much out about the doctor's regeneration from Eight to Nine, which supposedly happened during/just after the BIG IMPORTANT BLANK.

I've got two Raxacoricofallapatorians and Glasgow's Finest standing guard even as we speak. :-D

Date: 2006-08-10 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azvolrien.livejournal.com
I can list the Doctors and who played in them order.

William Hartnell, Patrick Troughton, Jon Pertwee, Tom Baker, Peter Davison, Colin Baker (no relation), Sylvester McCoy, Paul McGann, Christopher Eccleston, David Tennant.

Am I sad or what?

Date: 2006-08-11 02:41 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] infiniteviking

Can you list all the Masters in order? Including the skeletal guy, not including the War Chief. *g*

Date: 2006-08-12 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azvolrien.livejournal.com
Sadly, no. I've never actually seen any of the classic episodes. I found a video of Pyramids of Mars in Oxfam once, but I had no money with me and it was gone when I went back.

Date: 2006-08-10 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyri-prongs.livejournal.com
Luckyyyy, you have a dvd library? All my library has are some very ancient Shakepseare production on vhs! The only way I'm going to see the old Doctor Who's is by buying them all....blerg! v_v;

Date: 2006-08-10 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twirlynoodle.livejournal.com
The library (nice big city library) has a small DVD collection ... it doesn't come close to the DVD collection of the SLC library which seems to be in a bid to be an alternative to a commercial video rental place. My library seems to be a bit too snooty for that, but I guess the old Doctors are a valid enough cultural touchstone to include in their collection.

Date: 2006-08-10 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azvolrien.livejournal.com
Some of the shots in the Nine series with a Dalek menacing Rose were almost identical to one from the very second story with a Dalek menacing Barbara.

Again: Am I sad or what?

Date: 2006-08-10 10:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] infiniteviking
You are soooooooo lucky!!

Yeah, Hartnell makes a grand Doctor. There's something riveting about him -- that slightly dotty mentality going in unexpected directions -- yet he never overshadows his companions, making it far more of an ensemble show than the modern ones.

I now appreciate why the first episode of the new series was all full of mannequins!

LOL! I don't remember anything similar from the first Hartnell episode, but I haven't seen the whole thing yet. The Nestene Consciousness, though, along with its plastic Auton minions, is a recurring villain going all the way back to the Third Doctor's era in the 70s.

You know what I wish they'd bring back? The Yeti and the Great Intelligence from the Second Doctor's era. Nothing like a huge lurching brainless monster to scream 'classic!'

It was just like watching a student film that had inexplicably good actors!

Isn't it great? XD XD

The TARDIS changed a few times -- most notably in part of Tom Baker's reign, when it had dark oak paneling and brass railings, and in the Paul McGann movie, when it was a massive candle-lit Gothic library with a Jules Verne console and galaxies looming over the invisible ceiling. I always liked the original console room -- there's something clean-cut and friendly about it.

As for the Doctor getting younger... it's inconsistent. It makes sense for a Time Lord as decrepit as Hartnell became to regenerate into a younger form, but the Doctor's life is so dangerous that few of his incarnations ever make it. Davison (5th) was way younger than McCoy (7th), and Pertwee (3rd) certainly looked older than Troughton (2nd, and my personal favorite). They're just young nowadays because the producers think anything else will chase away the female audience. (Grrr!)

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