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Tealin ([personal profile] tealin) wrote2006-09-17 12:57 am
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The Truth Will Make Ye Fere

Gather 'round, children, it's storytime.*

Once upon a time, when Tealin was a budding would-be animator, she was told to put a design through its paces; take a character through a range of expressions and poses to work out the kinks and learn what made it work. And she did that! Oh, yes. And it worked. Her sketchbook was all full of that sort of thing. She even made a website out of it!

Then Tealin went to school. It was a school for animators. And she got to do stuff like that for assignments! The assignments were all on loose paper, and she was spending so much time on them that she didn't get to do the same sort of stuff in her sketchbook, but that was OK because she was still doing it and learning a lot.

After she graduated, Tealin got a job! This was pretty cool, especially because she got to earn her living by doing just those same things, all day, every day, on really fun shows! She was spending so much time on it that she didn't get to do the same sort of stuff in her sketchbook, but that was OK because she was still doing it and learning a lot.

One day, the people who gave Tealin things to draw came to her and said, 'Tealin, we would like you to do storyboards instead of design! Doesn't that sound like fun?' It didn't sound like fun, but she did it anyway, and after a while she got used to it and it was OK. But by then she had gotten out of the habit of doing design stuff in her sketchbook, and was just using it to hash out raw designs as quickly as she read the books and wasn't taking time to develop them any further at all! Oh no!

Then the Remembering Fairy of Animation Regret** came and visited Tealin and said 'You should put a design through its paces; take a character through a range of expressions and poses to work out the kinks and learn what makes it work.' Tealin thought 'Of course! How could I have forgotten?' So she picked the main character from the most recent book she'd read and started work!


In grownup speak now: I am woefully out of practise at practical design stuff so I'm having a go at William: he's got a number of great scenes, he's fresh in my memory, but mostly I get to nurture my narcissism because I AM WILLIAM. At least ... before his arc of empowering self-discovery. I hope I never need one like that and can spend the rest of my life hiding behind a pencil but now we're getting off topic.

More than a year ago I wrested an image of William de Worde from the blankness that surrounded him in my head and came up with this:
I was pretty proud of it; it got what I wanted out of the character (I thought), he looked somewhat aristocratic without being too cold, he had amusing hair and ... well, a bleeding arm. But that was all I ever drew of him. Upon reading the book recently, there were a number of things I wanted to do, drawing-wise, but didn't feel comfortable diving right in with this one design I'd only drawn once, so I started working on it a bit:

There were some things about the original design that I wanted to keep or even amplify. I wanted his hair to be all at the top, sort of ... like an ice cream cone or sea anemone or the end piece of a sushi roll with lettuce in it, something to that effect. He needed that long arisocratic nose. And I wanted to capture a certain sort of jaw – I've known a few people with it; the chin sticks out but there isn't much of a contour on the sides. It's not a matter of pudginess, it's just a narrow jaw that isn't any wider than the neck below it, so it's kind of one slightly curved plane from the cheekbone to the neck. (The first person that comes to mind who I can use as an example is John Cleese. Apparently I based the anatomy of William's whole face on Cleese's, on a structural level anyway.) The biggest challenge, though, was the hair. In my original design it was so unstructured that it was practically impossible to reproduce or turn around, so I had to give it some sort of appealing shape as well as try to convey that it was curly. I even decided to push my luck and try to make it look like the sort of hair that thins early and might even be already starting to go, like this picture of Prince Edward. I also took a stab at the costume here, thinking that an 1820/30s style high-waisted waistcoat/jacket ensemble (example) would be in character, but I haven't experimented much with that.
Anyway, out of this page I liked the one in the bottom right corner the best (William always looks most himself when he's startled) so I worked with that:

The smiling and frowning faces are fliped right off that previous drawing; the others are noodling around. You even get to see my atrocious sketch of the 'I'm trying to work!' William, lucky you.

I slept on it (not literally) then did these the following day:

Am I getting somewhere? I am sparing your eyes further torment by eliminating the very bad On The Ledge sketch ... we've already had one of those, no more until they get better.

These were the same day:

He had to share the page with Coffee Girl, hence the narrowness of the image file...
I wanted to make his mouth the sort of mouth that looks like a hole cut in the face (moreso than a 'normal' mouth which is, in its very essence, a hole in the face) – not much extraneous structure or sculpted lips or anything, just HoleMouth. Does this look like that? At all?

It is WAY past my bedtime, so I shall just throw this up on the dartboard of LJ – Any suggestions are accepted! Maybe not implemented, but at least considered!



*Did you know it's been more than ten years since Hunchback came out? That ought to be illegal, or something.
**glingle glingle glingle

[identity profile] harbek.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 08:46 am (UTC)(link)
Have I ever mentioned that you're awesome? No? Well, you are. Not really because for this entry, just in general. I felt you should know, and this was the closest place to tell you.

[identity profile] buttfacemakani.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 08:54 am (UTC)(link)
OMG LOL HOLEMOUTH. I know exactly what you're talking about. How DO people do that? Like...it's like you can't have any sharp edges or somethign on it.. Kevin Dalton is the master of HoleMouth.. Pierre Alary does that a lot too. So.. there's something about yours that makes it not a holemouth, and I think it's that you still want to do that overlapping line at the left (far) side of the mouth.

Or maybe you actually do mean something else xD Anyway, I love this dude! The second to last sketches are my faves I think (mainly omg because I suck at those down and to the side head angles like in the first one and yours is gooood D: )

[identity profile] twirlynoodle.livejournal.com 2006-09-22 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
THANK YOU for the names! I never remember names, which makes it very hard to look up art later! Coo, those people are amazing. I'd seen Pierre Alary's stuff before (my sister says I look like his Belladone but she's crazy) but not Kevin Dalton. And that is kind of what I was going for ... I think ... I watched Hunchback the other day and lo, Quasi also occasionally has a HoleMouth – I think it tends to be on people whose nose-to-chin plane is concave.

You find tilty heads difficult? You? But your draughstmanship is like wow! How does that happen?

[identity profile] buttfacemakani.livejournal.com 2006-09-22 06:20 am (UTC)(link)
ohh yeah lol quasi has the holemouth, totally! xD

i dunno like, i'll try for a more extreme angle or something, but then it always seems to settle back into a more comfortable, not as extreme angle, which causes other parts of the head to get displaced and wompyjawed D:

Tries to think of a subject . . . fails

[identity profile] michiness.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 09:32 am (UTC)(link)
So, this is my typical newbie comment about how much I love your work, etc, etc. I ran across your website while looking for pictures of . . . Ron, I think, and was enthralled by the Prisoner of Azkaban project. Nerve-wracked by sparse updates, I am absolutely thrilled to find your LJ.

If I remembered "The Truth" better and had a firmer picture of William de Worde in my mind, I'd be able to give an actual opinion on this, but sadly, I cannot, other than the fact that he seems most William-like when he's frustrated, which you convey quite well. :)

Can't wait to see more!
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[identity profile] maggiebloome.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 10:32 am (UTC)(link)
I love the third one after you slept on it! It's such a perfect "Well you see the thing with that is..." face!

[identity profile] twirlynoodle.livejournal.com 2006-09-19 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
That's my favourite too! Yay!

[identity profile] veetvoojagig.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 10:57 am (UTC)(link)
I absolutely love the way you do William. I'm not much good with the constructive criticism thing, since I know very little of drawing, but I think they're lovely!

[identity profile] lady-twatterby.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 12:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Gah, William is such a difficult character to get a grip on, image-wise. I love what you've done with him. He looks sort of foppish and clueless and naive, which is very William. He's a bit of a dunce, a little socially inept. And that's funny, of course.

His mouth looks like the kind that never stops asking nasty, niggling questions. Very apropriate for Ankh-Morpork's first journalist.

I can't wait to see what you're going to draw on The Truth, it's one of my favourites. There's so many wonderful scenes in it that it's one of the few books I tend to re-read entirely, rather than skipping to the best bits. :)

[identity profile] linda-lupos.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 01:37 pm (UTC)(link)
He looks sot of foppish
Yes indeed, and in my opinion that quite defines William. ;) He ís the son of Lord de Worde, after all, and even though he has a job it's not much of one (well, until he founded the Ankh-Morpork Times and had to 'feed' the press) and I think he's actually quite a chip off the old block. But then I don't like William much - I read Going Postal before The Truth, and when you compare the two (both set in Ankh-Morpork, both with original main characters who meet the usual A-M main characters (i.e. the Watch and Vetinari) but aren't part of that and both about the 'rise' of a kind of public service) I always find I like Moist much, much more than William!'

But I really like your drawings here. The shorter waistcoat just *works* on William.

[identity profile] twirlynoodle.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yes, Moist is addictively awesome ... but I've given him enough attention (for now, mwahaha) so I thought I'd concentrate elsewhere for a while... The Truth and Going Postal are rather similar – in fact, when my roommate first read GP she said it was 'just The Truth but with beaurocracy.' (Oh, but how much more!)

[identity profile] linda-lupos.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
but I've given him enough attention (for now, mwahaha)
Alright, I'm going to take this as 'more Going Postal drawings will come' and nothing you say will convince me otherwise. ;)

The Truth and Going Postal are rather similar – in fact, when my roommate first read GP she said it was 'just The Truth but with beaurocracy.' (Oh, but how much more!)
Quite! The only thing TT has going for me are the scenes with Wuffles (wiieh), Drumknott-showing-character and arguably the most, well, at least original if not intelligent Patrician-overthrowing attempt so far (although the one in Feet of Clay was pretty good too). Shame really that would-be overthrowers always forget about Vetinari's terrierS. ;) (And I now tend to count Drumknott with them too, besides Vimes and Wuffles. Good old Drumknott.)

Would that PTerry hurried up with Making Money... :)

[identity profile] twirlynoodle.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)
There will NEVER be an end to the GP drawings... I just have to keep myself away from that book when in a manic mood for fear my head will explode. And I don't want to wear it out.

NEED MAKING MONEY NOW.

[identity profile] linda-lupos.livejournal.com 2006-09-18 01:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, for a crook and a con-artist Moist is rather scarily sympathetic and his book incredibly addictive. Must be his AMAZING people skills. ;) (I've seen people suggest him as Vetinari's successor, and I can actually see that!)

I just hope Making Money won't be "Going Postal Redux". You know, like...

Moist: Hi, I'm Moist, this is my second book. Previously, I was a con-artist but got, well, reformed by force and I'm now the Ankh-Morpork Postmaster. Also, I may or may not be married to (former) Miss Dearheart, who's father invented the Clacks. I'm actually pretty important in Ankh-Morpork when you think about it.
Vetinari: alright, the city needs a mint. Lipwig, get to it.
Moist: but -
Vetinari: tyrant.
Moist: X^( *gets to it*
Bankers and other important people: okay, we don't like this. Let's put a stop to it.
Complications: *ensue*
Moist: bah.
Vetinari: sort it out yourself.
Moist: bah again.
Adora Bell Dearheart: *shows up for some romantic moments/emotional growth for Moist*
Complications: *ensue even more, building up to the grand finale*
Moist: *triumphs through some amazing con-artisty way*
Bankers: WE HATE YOU.
Vetinari: and NOW I step in and order people around so things will resolve the way I want them to.
Bankers: WE HATE YOU EVEN MORE.
Vetinari: *recycles arguably his best line from GP* Tyrant, remember?
Vimes: I show my face so people will know this is Ankh-Morpork and my fans will be happy.
Vetinari: I already covered that first part. Alright, problem resolved, everybody happy, go home now.
Moist: yay. *goes home*
END
EPILOGUE
Vetinari: this city needs a railroad/water supplying service/telephone-thing service/whatever. Hm, who to ask for that..?

And then the sequel is 'Making Water' or something. ;) (Hey, I'm Leonard of Quirm when it comes to titles!) Of course, knowing Terry Pratchett it won't be anything like that, because it'd be very depressing if it did. If only he'd hurry up writing it... :)

[identity profile] twirlynoodle.livejournal.com 2006-09-18 03:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my gosh, that is HILARIOUS. I think I am going to print it out and stick it on my desk where I can enjoy it and stave off cravings for Making Money. :D

You are brilliant, brilliant, BRILLIANT! Genius, I say!

[identity profile] linda-lupos.livejournal.com 2006-09-18 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Why thank you. ^^ By all means print it out. :)

By the way, it did gave me an idea... could you perhaps draw Vetinari with a badge with says 'Tyrant'? Please? I'd be ever so grateful! :)
('t would save him a lot of trouble, me thinks, and other people would know where they're at. ;))

[identity profile] twirlynoodle.livejournal.com 2006-09-18 04:21 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL, I think that's a fair trade.

[identity profile] linda-lupos.livejournal.com 2006-09-18 04:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay! :D

[identity profile] morbid-bunny.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 01:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I love youuuu...

I'm making a mental note to not go into animation now, though Oo; Those Faries dont sound like much fun.

ALSO: William is WONDERFUL. Just how I pictured him. I saw a display of Terry Pratchett books in my bookstore the other day and immediately thought of you.

Keep it up, darling. :D

[identity profile] noodledaddy.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 02:22 pm (UTC)(link)
You also happen to be a very good writer.

[identity profile] bluesrules.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 02:38 pm (UTC)(link)
i dont have a clue who the william guy is but he is good. kinda understand how you were happy with one but then realised you could do more on it and develop it. i (being a very amatur drawer)should definatley do that. also i love how you draw mouths.

[identity profile] anathelen.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 03:14 pm (UTC)(link)
a certain sort of jaw – I've known a few people with it; the chin sticks out but there isn't much of a contour on the sides. It's not a matter of pudginess, it's just a narrow jaw that isn't any wider than the neck below it

Aha! Thank you for finally explaining why my math professor's jaw looks so odd. My math professor in general looks and moves like a cartoon character. I could swear he moves by being hand-animated frame-by-frame by a team of ninja animation angels - he has a quality of bouncy disjointedness in his movements that makes him look like he could be a Toon in Who Shot Roger Rabbit or the Animaniacs... he looks like he's going to break Newtonian law any second and bounce off a wall or pull a giant hammer out from behind his back.

William's nose and chin=my math professor's chin and nose.

[identity profile] jesskat.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 03:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I always love your sketches, these are fun to look at.

I like the last two the best, though I'm not sure why. I think inside William is rather insecure and his aristocratic background makes him a bit restrained. Call it cliché, but I imagine him a bit like Johnny Depp as Ichabod Crane in "Sleepy Hollow", though not quite as prudish. In the last two sketches, particularly in the one where he's writing, I can see some of those things that I see in his character. You've drawn him expressing a wide range of emotions, but with William, I see his character shining through best when the emotions are more subdued. Less is more, if you will. Of course, that's just my opinion, but perhaps it's something you can develop further in your designs.

[identity profile] twirlynoodle.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 04:58 pm (UTC)(link)
a bit like Johnny Depp as Ichabod Crane in "Sleepy Hollow"

YES! That is EXACTLY who he is! Yes yes yes!!

I'm glad I have 'permission' to draw more restrained poses ... when I was trying to think of expressions to draw, and they were all coming out really repressed, I was thinking 'Argh, push it, girl! You never push it enough!' But now I know I was just doing it right. ;) He always seems to want to tuck his chin in...

[identity profile] disneyboy.livejournal.com 2006-09-20 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
It seems like I read somewhere that Johnny Depp was doing his best to channel a frightened 13-year-old girl while playing Ichabod - hee hee! Looking back, I can see that!

[identity profile] disneyboy.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 04:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I will honestly try to revisit all these marvelous sketches when I have more time (it took me longer than expected to catch up on all the other entries I've missed, and now I must away) - I'll just say for now that I'm happy you've apparently got your groove back, all on your own (well, I guess the fairy helped :) ), and I think I finally have a good idea now for your "assignment"... }:)

[identity profile] disneyboy.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 04:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Really, really nice stuff, if I didn't make that clear before!

[identity profile] disneyboy.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
And that bleeding hand - as I was scrolling down reading, I only saw the head for the longest time, and when I went down to read more and the hand popped into view - yikes! I nearly jumped out of my chair, I was so startled! I couldn't look at it - had to shield my eyes, it was so livid and real ! (feel free to laugh, but it's true!) Ok, no more postscripts for now!

[identity profile] polaris-starz.livejournal.com 2006-09-17 05:42 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG I love you forever.

I really love the second to last one, looking up from writing. And above that, the one on the far right, the sort of "I have to correct you but I am afraid you'll kill me" expression. Or possibly the "You are so full of it" expression. It could go either way. ♥

[identity profile] lisafeld.livejournal.com 2006-09-18 01:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Squee! That's awesome, his personality comes through perfectly in the body language and the choice of expressions.

[identity profile] twirlynoodle.livejournal.com 2006-09-19 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
GASP!

IT'S ROSENCRANTZ AND GUILDENSTERN ARE DEAD! ICON JOY!!

[identity profile] lisafeld.livejournal.com 2006-09-19 12:36 pm (UTC)(link)
*g* No one ever gets that reference... I should really make more of them, though; I have a ton of screencaps.

[identity profile] azvolrien.livejournal.com 2006-09-18 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I like the 'Holemouth' drawing. I find that those kind of work better in men in drawings, because whenever I try to add any realistic details around their mouth they end up looking like they're wearing lipstick.
Which would be fine if I was drawing Eddie Izzard, but I'm usually not.

Also, for some reason the drawing once you'd slept remind me of Lackadaisy. Except, you know, he's not a cat.

[identity profile] stevie-roch.livejournal.com 2006-09-19 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
The second to last set, the one on the right, IS MY FAVORITE. I like the whole, I am still talking while I figure things out.

AND Making Money?! ANOTHER ONE WITH MOIST?! How does life get any better?!

[identity profile] fairy-gany.livejournal.com 2006-09-21 12:19 pm (UTC)(link)
"Reine de la mort" would be much corect, chérie.

[identity profile] stevie-roch.livejournal.com 2006-09-21 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I know! A few months after I registered the name I was like... "Oh, shoot!"

[identity profile] fairy-gany.livejournal.com 2006-09-25 02:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Damn it. But can't you change it ?
Sorry if I was a bit of aggressive, but i'm french, so it disturbed me a lot ;)
I make a lot of mistakes in english though...

[identity profile] rawrsie.livejournal.com 2006-09-19 05:32 pm (UTC)(link)
the last two are fantastic, looks like you're really getting into it. don't stop :)

[identity profile] noodledaddy.livejournal.com 2006-09-20 04:02 am (UTC)(link)
If Terry says he wants to use these in a new book, send him the Bill.

[identity profile] twirlynoodle.livejournal.com 2006-09-20 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
... I don'—

OOHHHHHH.

[groan]

[identity profile] hinky-doodle.livejournal.com 2006-09-20 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Thats a very Williamish jawline yah got there hun, very impressive. And his hair is so wavy and seems to have an inner bounce!*pokes it to watch it move before gets batted away by a very annoyed Willaim with a newspaper*...Ahem...So yes, very cool sketches. I really must reread that book..

[identity profile] ardys-the-ghoul.livejournal.com 2006-09-22 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
I just read this book over the summer!

Hmm...I may be prejudiced, because I saw it before I actually read the book, but I actually really like the first picture you did of William--like I said, I saw it before I read the book, so when I was reading the book I kept seeing that picture. There's something about it that the others don't have. I can't really figure out what it is, though. I wish I could explain it.

I'm sorry. I don't want to sound like I'm knocking the newer drawings. "I'm trying to work!" William made me laugh. I know that one isn't as "clean" as the others, but his expression is great.

By the way, after looking at these sketches, I've come to the conclusion that you might be channeling Conan O'Brian's hair.

[identity profile] twirlynoodle.livejournal.com 2006-09-22 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
There's something about it that the others don't have.
Blood? (Just kidding)

No, I think I know what you mean; the later ones make him look a bit more ... er ... slick, whereas in the first one he still looks a bit more naiive and flustered. Interesting observation – I totally see it now. I wonder how much is dependent on expression and how much is built into his design.

As for the hair, I may be indirectly channeling Mr O'Brian ... I know I took direct inspiration from a background character in Iron Giant who everyone says is a caricature of him but he has entirely the wrong face shape. Hang on, I'll see if I can get a screencap. Here:
Image

Looking back at him, his hair doesn't look all that much like William's ... at least no more like his than any number of other characters.

Cor, that movie is awesome.

[identity profile] ardys-the-ghoul.livejournal.com 2006-09-22 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
He does look a bit like Conan. He has Leno's chin, though.

[identity profile] twirlynoodle.livejournal.com 2006-09-22 04:00 am (UTC)(link)
I don't see it at all – Conan's face is SO SQUARE. And his hair isn't really all that big, it's just got that swoop.

[identity profile] ardys-the-ghoul.livejournal.com 2006-09-22 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
I think it's something about his expression. I don't know, maybe I'm seeing things.

[identity profile] twirlynoodle.livejournal.com 2006-09-22 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
Or maybe I'm not...

[identity profile] twirlynoodle.livejournal.com 2006-09-22 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I should say, another inspiration for William was the presenter of a history show that aired on History Television (but I suspect it was originally a BBC production) that was either something about how Hitler came to power or his plans for invading Britain. Anyway, this guy looked exactly like William and walked around in a trenchcoat with his hair all wavy being all reportery and exactly right. But of course I've forgotten the name of the show now, and his name, which I had looked up on IMDb because I wanted to know who to suggest for casting William in case anyone ever ased me. it might have been Matthew something. The show ended with him walking away from the camera, possibly on a bridge or under an arch, in the snow, so if you ever see it, that's who I was thinking of.

There was another history show presenter (maybe he was the same one?) presenting a show about the Battle of the Boyne (I think) who would be a similar candidate.

[identity profile] ardys-the-ghoul.livejournal.com 2006-09-22 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
I'm starting to think, especially after your post awhile back about your Moist's doppelganger, that there must be a double somewhere for every character of fiction ever invented.

I've actually run into people who looked just like characters I made up, which is one of the strangest things (I think) that can happen to a college student who wants to be a writer.