Pronunciation Question

[tealin]

Obviously, I've been rereading Monstrous Regiment ... but I've been seized by doubt:

Polly's family name, Perks – is it pronounced like a plural of perk, or is it like clerk, derby, and Berkshire in that the 'er' is pronounced like 'ar,' thus making it 'Parks' and much easier for Strappi (and assorted others) to turn into 'Parts'? I tried finding some sample clips of the book on tape but the only one I found was a big stretch of internal monologue with no mention of names at all.

Help?

EDIT: Thanks karwei – yet another yawning gap of uncertainty has closed in my life. :)

Comments

[karwei.livejournal.com]

In the book on tape I listened to, Briggs Stephen pronounced it as "perks," not "parks."

[twirlynoodle.livejournal.com]

Perfect! Thank you! If anyone knows, it's the talented Mr Briggs. My mind can be at rest now.

[poisonedwriter.livejournal.com]

As a side note, I've never heard derby and clerk pronounced with an "ar" sound.

[twirlynoodle.livejournal.com]

I think it's a British thing. For a few years, I was in or closely involved with a perennial production of A Christmas Carol, where Cratchit is referred to as Scrooge's 'clark' (which I thought was a position distinct from what a North American would call 'clerk' and hence had a different name) and was surprised to read the book and find it spelled 'clerk.' On the other hand, I had always heard the 'er' pronunciation of 'derby' and was fuddled when I started hearing 'darby.' So now, I can never know for sure!

[ari-enchanted.livejournal.com]

I always thought it was Perks with an "er," and Strappi only called her "Parts" because of that wonderful Private Parts joke.

And I also thought for sometime that a "clark" was something other than a clerk.

[azvolrien.livejournal.com]

I've always pronounced it 'perks'. I think the clerk thing is more illogical Britishness, such as
pronouncing 'lieutenant' 'lufftenant'. It makes no sense.

it's a British thing!

[thecrookedmile.livejournal.com]

hey there, I live in London and it is just the brirish quirke that we DO say 'clarke', 'darby' and 'Barkshire' and its a forever confusing thing in schools when teachers try to convince us it's spelt 'er'.. so its kind of confusing in the opposite direction heh.
um, but also, when people say 'lufftenant' i think their saying 'left-tenant' which isn't wierd..!
just thought I'd giva an insider's account!

Re: it's a British thing!

[my-fox-rocks.livejournal.com]

Yeah, we say left - tenant (to be honest, that one I've always found rather odd and I pronounce it the other way)

But I go to University in Derby (Darby) and it took time for my American friends to get used to saying it like that.

Their pronunciation of Leicestershire (I've heard it said Lie - sester - shyre instead of Lestershuh) just makes me giggle.

On a different note Americans have language quirks too, like pronouncing 'herbs' 'urbs' even though there's an 'h' in it O_o And spelling through 'thru' which just looks...wrong.

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[paddita.livejournal.com]

like pronouncing 'herbs' 'urbs' even though there's an 'h' in it O_o

That makes me think of Eddie Izzard. :D

Re: it's a British thing!

[my-fox-rocks.livejournal.com]

I Love Eddie Izzard! *squees* ^_^

Re: it's a British thing!

[disneyboy.livejournal.com]

I also think it's hilarious that Worchestershire (where my sister really wanted to go to school) is pronounced "Wooster". Are the locals weird, or just lazy (like most Americans, with their penchant for shortcutting everything - "thru", the Acronym-ese spoken in forums like these, etc.)? As for saying "'erbs"...I may just be justifying my upbringing and habit, but you wouldn't pronounce the "h" in "honestly", right? Besides, when I hear something like "Hhherbal" remedies, I can't help thinking it sounds like something concocted by or for "Herb" (or Herbert, if you prefer) Same thing with "gathering Herbs", "grinding up Herbs", "Herbal Essence" (essence of 'Herb'?), etc. Which is rather amusing, so maybe the British way is better after all. :)

My turn

[(Anonymous)]

As opposed to a perennial production of Christmas Carol (one that is always showing), the one of which you write is an annual (performed every year)production.

A²

[twirlynoodle.livejournal.com]

Argh, yes, you're right ... I was confused by plants.

[twirlynoodle.livejournal.com]

Once upon a time Vs were written as Us, so maybe lieutenant was a word that just didn't make the transition – was originally pronounced lievtenant but spelled lieutenant.

Of course, this is entirely conjecture, and completely ignores the fact that in French, 'lieu tenant' is literally 'place holding' and makes a little more sense ... and my brain is on weekend mode. :P

[disneyboy.livejournal.com]

Tonight on Oprah: "I WAS CONFUSED BY PLANTS"!! A young Canadian animatrix tells her baffling story...stay tuned!

[twirlynoodle.livejournal.com]

LOL – add to that that at first I thought you said 'pants' ... which is true too, thanks to listening to way too much BBC. OH the transatlantic differences in language. Does the speaker mean underwear or trousers? I CAN NEVER KNOW FOR SURE!

Re: it's a British thing!

[paddita.livejournal.com]

There is no limit to his genius, I'm afraid. :D

[twirlynoodle.livejournal.com]

I don't know his work terribly well but I must say one of the funniest things I have ever heard is his rendition of the siren song:

'We've got a lovely island ... plenty of parking for ships!'

I had that stuck in my head once, for a whole day. Whispery falsetto voice and everything.

This has got "Best Seller" written all over it

[disneyboy.livejournal.com]

"Confused by Pants: The Tragic Autobiography of Twirly Noodle"...can I ghost-write this for you? I think we could both become millionares.

[tannhaeuser.livejournal.com]

England

[ianfinerty.livejournal.com]

Yes we English are a funny breed. We pronounce lieutenant as leftenant.

"The English pronunciation was prevalent during the 14th and 15th centuries with the word being variously spelled as lieftenant, lyeftenant or luftenant. It may have originated from a mistaken reading of the 'u' as a 'v' (u and v originally were written as the same letter), with v eventually assimilating in voice to /f/. Some sources state that the original French word lieu had an alternative form spelt and pronounced lieuf, and that the modern standard English form retains the former spelling and the latter pronunciation."

And that is apparently why. So you're about right with the whole Frenchy-u/v-misreading thingy stuff.
P.S. We also pronounce the name Featherstone-Haugh like Fanshaw.

[tannhaeuser.livejournal.com]

a. Lasting an indefinitely long time; enduring: perennial happiness.
b. Appearing again and again; recurrent. See Synonyms at continual.
3. Botany: Living three or more years.

n.
1. Botany: A perennial plant.
2. Something that recurs or seems to recur on a yearly or continual basis.

As I think Tealin was saying that a production of A Christmas Carol recurred year after year, which is correct in terms of definition 2b. After all, a perennial flower, like a chrysanthemum, isn’t one that blooms continously throughout the year, but continually year after year, right?

Theoretical Grammar

[twirlynoodle.livejournal.com]

But I was using it as an adjective and not a noun, and def 2b is very clearly n. If I was adjectiving a noun, would that definition cross over as well, or since there is a preexisting adjective form of 'perennial' would it be restricted to the established definitions?

[tannhaeuser.livejournal.com]

Re: Theoretical Grammar

[tannhaeuser.livejournal.com]

Def 2b is very clearly n

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[tannhaeuser.livejournal.com]

Re: England

[tannhaeuser.livejournal.com]

Re: England

[ianfinerty.livejournal.com]

We're also responsible for the phrase a flange of baboons. I felt it necessary that this was known.

Re: England

[naturalblue208.livejournal.com]

just had to butt in quickly with a cheer for Wodehouse!